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Post by cookmysock on Apr 9, 2018 4:04:46 GMT
Watkins is currently rated an 8/6 center . with kick stats of 2/2.
Has has made 213 tackles this season, missing only 13, giving a tackle efficiency of over 90% -91.91% to be exact. That has to be 7 or 8 defense standards surely??
Its 23.6 tackles per game...at centre.
He is also kicking goals for Leeds this season, 21 from 32 isnt flash, but should get him up to a 7 GK rating.
He is additionally, 14th in total metres in ESL (despite Leeds only playing 9 games), has scored 7 tries, 3 x TA & a massive 16 offloads & is in the top 20 tackle busters in the ESL with 29. He would have to be a high 8, borderline 9 attack in comparison to many other 8's (& 9's) in ASRL.
I cant see him as a 9/8. thinking more 9/7 or 8/8 with 7 GK.
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Post by Mackdadday on Apr 9, 2018 6:40:14 GMT
8/7/5/6/8 from me. Nowhere as many line breaks as other players but he is a quality centre. His tackle busts are less than half the league leader too (percival - 61 to Watkins 29).
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Post by cookmysock on Apr 9, 2018 6:43:17 GMT
8/7/5/6/8 from me. Nowhere as many line breaks as other players but he is a quality centre. His tackle busts are less than half the league leader too (percival - 61 to Watkins 29). That's why I was saying it's more his Defence and gk that needed attention. I do only classify him as a high 8 attack, it's his defense that has been outstanding
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Post by cookmysock on Apr 9, 2018 6:50:29 GMT
8/7/5/6/8 from me. Nowhere as many line breaks as other players but he is a quality centre. His tackle busts are less than half the league leader too (percival - 61 to Watkins 29). That's why I was saying it's more his Defence and gk that needed attention. I do only classify him as a high 8 attack, it's his defense that has been outstanding
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Post by cookmysock on Apr 9, 2018 8:06:54 GMT
If we are using Percival as a benchmark, he has made 146 tackles, missing 23....many fewer tackles, considerably more misses.....& they should have the same defence ratings Mack says?
This is with St Helens having the extra game, making Percival an ordinary 14.6 tackles per game, missing 2.3 per game, yet we have just given him a 7 defence in Macks rerate request.
Watkins as stated 23.6 per game, missing 1.4 per game.
If this doesnt warrant an 8 defence rating for a centre, what does?
Who would you guys consider the best defensive centre in the NRL?
Jarrod Croker? Makes 10 misses 3 per match.
Dylan Walker? Makes 14 misses 3.
Will Chambers?....makes 12 misses 3.
Inglis...makes 9 misses 1.
Who else can we compare him with?
& he has made more tackles than any back in the ESL
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Post by Mackdadday on Apr 9, 2018 10:04:52 GMT
I think you are reading the esl site wrong Bill. MT means marker tackles. MI means missed tackles.
Percival has 146 tackles with just 13 missed. This also puts his efficeny around 90%.
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Post by Mackdadday on Apr 9, 2018 10:15:45 GMT
I have decided to change my rating to 8/8 and i will say why. There are no backs in the sim rated more than a 7 for defence and they are few and far between and i think we need to consider backs differently. Why shouldnt a fullback who has great positional skill, is very safe under the high ball and is great in cover defence get a higher rating then a 7?
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Post by cookmysock on Apr 9, 2018 10:35:45 GMT
I have decided to change my rating to 8/8 and i will say why. There are no backs in the sim rated more than a 7 for defence and they are few and far between and i think we need to consider backs differently. Why shouldnt a fullback who has great positional skill, is very safe under the high ball and is great in cover defence get a higher rating then a 7? Bingo This is why smart coaches play back rowers at centre
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Post by tattguy35 on Apr 10, 2018 11:58:14 GMT
Its hard to judge defence rating for an outside back. Im only going to use Croker as an example cause I really only watch raiders games now. I personally think Croker is one of the best defenders in the game. It may say he misses 3 tackles a game but most missed tackles on every player are counted even if they drop off a tackle when 2 team mates have him under control.
1 stat I wish I could find somewhere is 1 on 1 tackles cause this is where Croker excels. He is a great 1 on 1 defender and puts his body on the line to save tries all the time. Again he is just 1 example but these things need to be taken in to consideration. Not all missed tackles are bad, unless your missing like 5 or more per game than thats not good technique.
Having said all that Im giving this bloke 8/8. those stats are very good for any centre.
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Post by bazal on Apr 11, 2018 4:40:26 GMT
My goodness, I am so glad we're seemingly becoming accepting of higher defence ratings for backs...8/8
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Post by padds on Apr 12, 2018 10:32:07 GMT
One of the best in ESL, definitely an 8/8
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Post by Mackdadday on Apr 12, 2018 15:45:34 GMT
4 identical ratings. Re-rated to 8/8/5/6/8.
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Post by padds on May 21, 2018 15:45:28 GMT
Watkins was injured on Saturday playing against Cas. ACL injury, out till Xmas.
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