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Post by bossman on Oct 13, 2018 1:15:52 GMT
Okay guys, this issue is definitely worthy of putting up for a vote. How we determine lock has never really been defined so hopefully this vote will make things clearer for future reference.
I must stress that the vote will be based on creating a guideline on how we determine a lock and alternate positions, not a rule. A rule basically means that we have to follow it rigidly. A guideline is better for ratings as there will always be exceptions, therefore the decision of the rating board will sort out such issues. It is necessary to have a guideline for direction on how to vote for players.
Here are the options
1) Coaches should have flexibility for changing locks to prop and prop to lock if they are middle forwards. Coaches should also have the right to change locks to second rower and second row to lock if they play play on the edges. This option will be easier for coaches to configure their squads.
2) A player position should be determined by the position they have mostly played in for the course of a year at their club(not rep level). If they play lock for the vast majority of the year (Sam Burgess, Jason Taumalolo for example), they should only be considered as locks for sim, regardless of wether they play middle forward or the edges. This rule will be good for drawing the line regarding where a player plays.
The vote will go for 10 days. The winning decision will be activated immediately after the ten day period.
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Post by cookmysock on Oct 13, 2018 1:20:22 GMT
OK, if this goes ahead with lock, what about other positions?
This could happen all over the park if we want to go down this track...is it strictly locks to prop & if so, why?
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Post by bossman on Oct 13, 2018 1:32:25 GMT
The lock issue is the main one which is causing issues as the lock and prop positions are virtually the same in most nrl clubs. I take your point in that players should be determined by the position they are picked most in....and agree with it. This has not posed a problem in other positions though, except the lock one.
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Post by cookmysock on Oct 13, 2018 1:41:30 GMT
The lock issue is the main one which is causing issues as the lock and prop positions are virtually the same in most nrl clubs. I take your point in that players should be determined by the position they are picked most in....and agree with it. This has not posed a problem in other positions though, except the lock one. But thats only because Mack is carrying on about it endlessly & struggling to accept the decision of the raters. That's the only reason we are even discussing this. People could have been whining about this since the beginning of time. I have Gagai as a centre, he has played a bit of fullback but I might not want to rerate him as a winger? Should I be able to simply ask he be made a fullback, then if I need him at centre. Just being devils advocate here & pointing out that there are other positions/ players that warrant similar consideration if this goes ahead, not just locks to prop. "1) Coaches should have flexibility for changing locks to prop and prop to lock if they are middle forwards. Coaches should also have the right to change locks to second rower and second row to lock if they play play on the edges. This option will be easier for coaches to configure their squads." If you go with option 1, who says yes or no to the request? Its basically a rerate request as we have now, or can anyone do it with any player from those positions? |
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Post by bossman on Oct 13, 2018 1:43:03 GMT
Im of the view that we should pick all players (not just locks) in the positions where they mostly play in. Easier for ratings purposes and keep things more with how players are positioned in real life.
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Post by bossman on Oct 13, 2018 1:52:14 GMT
The lock issue is the main one which is causing issues as the lock and prop positions are virtually the same in most nrl clubs. I take your point in that players should be determined by the position they are picked most in....and agree with it. This has not posed a problem in other positions though, except the lock one. But thats only because Mack is carrying on about it endlessly & struggling to accept the decision of the raters. That's the only reason we are even discussing this. People could have been whining about this since the beginning of time. I have Gagai as a centre, he has played a bit of fullback but I might not want to rerate him as a winger? Should I be able to simply ask he be made a fullback, then if I need him at centre. Just being devils advocate here & pointing out that there are other positions/ players that warrant similar consideration if this goes ahead, not just locks to prop. "1) Coaches should have flexibility for changing locks to prop and prop to lock if they are middle forwards. Coaches should also have the right to change locks to second rower and second row to lock if they play play on the edges. This option will be easier for coaches to configure their squads." If you go with option 1, who says yes or no to the request? Its basically a rerate request as we have now, or can anyone do it with any player from those positions? I agree that Mack needed to have accepted the decisions of the board better than he did. But, what he brought up was a valid issue are there is no guide as to how we view this position. In the case of Gagai, I'd definitely have him rated as a centre as that is what he is picked for in club level mostly. Even though he plays mostly wing at rep level, I don't think he should be rated there as there are preferred centres at rep level. I agree with you 100% that option one can open a can of worms, which is why I hope it does not go that way. I think the ratings board for end of season and mid-season re-rates get it very right regarding positions a player plays mostly in. I think the Jake Trbojevic appeal is proof that people want players rated to the position they are picked mostly in. |
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Post by Mackdadday on Oct 13, 2018 3:55:26 GMT
Carried on endlessly? By making my case in a re-rate thread and then putting up a topic for discussion in the discussion forum?
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